{"id":31897,"date":"2024-05-05T22:42:18","date_gmt":"2024-05-05T20:42:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pty-design.com\/elpezdisco\/?p=31897"},"modified":"2024-05-05T22:48:48","modified_gmt":"2024-05-05T20:48:48","slug":"la-enfermedad-f1-turmix-o-torneo-en-peces-disco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pty-design.com\/elpezdisco\/la-enfermedad-f1-turmix-o-torneo-en-peces-disco\/","title":{"rendered":"La enfermedad F1, turmix o torneo en peces disco"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Introducci\u00f3n<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La enfermedad F1, turmix o torneo en peces disco recibe sus diferentes nombres en referencia a la velocidad de las vueltas que dan los discos sobre su propio eje y saliendo disparados como flechazos (\u00abdarting\u00bb, dardo en ingl\u00e9s), cuando tienen un ataque. A d\u00eda de hoy no se sabe si es una enfermedad, s\u00edntoma o estado. Por aclarar, tambi\u00e9n se le dice F1 a la 1<sup>a<\/sup> generaci\u00f3n descendiente de animales salvajes, nacidos en cautividad , pero se refiere a \u00abfilial 1\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sufrimos el primer caso en m\u00e1s de 20 a\u00f1os. Investigando en varias fuentes, sobre todo un estudio de una universidad y un foro disquero norteamericano, siguen abajo algunas consideraciones. En las publicaciones del foro norteamericano particip\u00f3 el mism\u00edsimo Andrew Soh, autor del famoso libro \u00abDiscus: The Naked Truth\u00bb. Pero no aporta ninguna claridad sobre el asunto.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Observaciones<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nos gustar\u00eda destacar las observaciones m\u00e1s frecuentes, resumidas de otras investigaciones y los participantes en el tema del foro, y c\u00f3mo \u00e9stas observaciones contrastan con las propias. Los patrones que m\u00e1s se repiten son:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Afecta aleatoriamente, tambi\u00e9n a animales fuertes y dominantes. En nuestro caso, el 2\u00b0 o 3\u00b0 de la jerarqu\u00eda. Generalmente afecta a animales juveniles m\u00e1s que a adultos. Fue nuestro caso tambi\u00e9n. Parece m\u00e1s frecuente un caso aislado, pero tambi\u00e9n hay casos con varios animales afectados simult\u00e1neamente o sucesivamente en un per\u00edodo de pocas semanas. A menudo se habla de tanques muy poblados, pero en nuestro caso eran s\u00f3lo 6 juveniles de 5-7 cm en 70 litros.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No hay s\u00edntomas externos previos y la coloraci\u00f3n del animal no la bandas de estr\u00e9s, ni el oscurecimiento, ni el alejamiento del grupo incialmente. La muerte se produce en pocos d\u00edas. El animal va sufriendo ataques con frecuencia creciente que lo van dejando d\u00e9bil hasta que perece. Los ataques comienzan con un giro o dos, pero en su peor momento el animal da vueltas a toda velocidad, chocando contra cualquier objeto y subiendo por los vidrios hasta saltar fuera del agua o nadar tumbado bajo la superficie. Tras el ataque, parece que quedan un momento sin respirar, los op\u00e9rculos cerrados, tumbados y exhaustos. Despu\u00e9s se recuperan y estan aparentemente bien. Pero cada vez la recuperaci\u00f3n es m\u00e1s lenta y pronto el pez no se alimenta. A veces es porque la agitaci\u00f3n de recibir alimento les provoca un ataque.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"340\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pty-design.com\/elpezdisco\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2024-05-01-at-07.41.07.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-31898\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Posibles causas<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La alimentaci\u00f3n no parece ser la causa, ya que algunos han observado el problema tras cambiar a escamas, pero muchos otros descartan cambios de alimentaci\u00f3n. Tambi\u00e9n tras eliminar comida congelada o mejillones no se pudo concluir que el problema estaba resuelto. Nosotros alimentamos mejill\u00f3n desde hace a\u00f1os y lo hemos seguido haciendo tras la ocurrencia. Todos los peces comen el mismo mejill\u00f3n, ya que se les alimenta a todos con uno, despu\u00e9s con otro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pensando en una intoxicaci\u00f3n, renovamos la zeolita, que por otro lado todav\u00eda deb\u00eda estar actuando seg\u00fan lo previsto, pero no produjo mejor\u00eda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No se aprecia consistencia en valores de temperatura, pH, iluminaci\u00f3n, etc. Donde s\u00ed se aprecia cierta correlaci\u00f3n es en otros aspectos como enfermedad actual o reciente, medicaci\u00f3n actual o reciente, dudosa calidad del agua. Tambi\u00e9n en nuestro caso. Contra par\u00e1sitos branquiales y ataques bacterianos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Existe la teor\u00eda de que se trate de una embolia. Otra dice que se trata del par\u00e1sito Myxobolus cerebralis, conocido en piscifactor\u00edas de salm\u00f3nidos. Pero esta teor\u00eda pierde peso. No se han encontrado estos par\u00e1sitos en los pocos an\u00e1lisis post-mortem realizados. Aunque el comportamiento del animal enfermo recuerda a una afecci\u00f3n neurol\u00f3gica (del cerebro).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Como no hay conclusiones firmes, estamos a tiempo de plantear hip\u00f3tesis. Nuestra hip\u00f3tesis es que se trata de una intoxicaci\u00f3n por alguna toxina remanente de uno o varios f\u00e1rmacos usados. Est\u00e1 comprobado que quedan trazas en el organismo durante 6-12 meses. Eso explicar\u00eda muchas cosas. Seg\u00fan la cantidad y la toxina, junto con el grado de adversidad de valores o calidad del agua, aparece en uno o varios ejemplares en pocos d\u00edas, generalmene juveniles, no necesariamente los d\u00e9biles como suele ser habitual.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mientras no se produzcan avances en la investigaci\u00f3n, seguiremos a ciegas y se refuerza la m\u00e1xima de que el mejor remedio es una buena prevenci\u00f3n, para no tener enfermedades. Ni usar medicamentos. Quien quiera compartir su experiencia y opini\u00f3n, abajo est\u00e1 el formulario para dejar comentarios. Saludos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pty-design.com\/elpezdisco\/general\/enfermedades\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Para visitar otras publicaciones sobre enfermedades, pincha aqu\u00ed.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:45px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" id=\"prodrel\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Productos relacionados (sitio Afiliado de Amazon*):<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>*En calidad de Afiliado de Amazon, obtengo ingresos por compras adscritas que cumplan los requisitos aplicables. 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